ನಮ್ಮ ಓದುಗರೇನೂ ಕಮ್ಮಿ - 3
Sir,
This is with reagrds to:
http://www.thatskannada.com/sahitya/debate/index.html
The selected "naada geethe" seems to have brought out the worst in all, the poet, the contetsting parties, the defending parties, the readers of this portal, the democaratically elected governament included.
That is exactly the purpose of a fine "naada geethe", isnt it?
Let us congratulate ourselves on our finest moment of success in choosing the song that strikes the perfect chord!
May I raise to the occassion and demand adding my just composed lines to the glorious "naada geethe"?
ಕಾರಂತ
ಬೇಂದ್ರೆ
ಮಾಸ್ತಿ
ಗಳಿಂದ
ಗಳಿಸಿದ
ಆಸ್ತಿ
ಕಾರ್ನಾಡ
ಗೋಕಾಕ
ಮೂರ್ತಿ
ಗಳಿಂದ
ಬೆಳೆದಿದೆ
ಆಸ್ತಿ
Note : Neither metric nor merit warrant inclusion of the ommitted name.
- Prabhu Murthy, Fremont, USA
*
Thats
Kannada
Bureau’s
sole
intention
in
its
article
"NaaDa
gIthe
maththu
Mdhavacharya"
was
simply
to
discuss
whether
or
not
Sri.
K.
V.
Puttappa
included
Sri
Madhvacharya’s
name
in
the
song
"Jaya
Bharatha
Jananiya
Thanu
Jaathe."
It
is
just
unwarranted
and
childish
on
the
part
of
Tejaswi
to
go
beyond
the
scope
of
this
original
discussion
and
criticize
Sri.
Madhvacharya
using
completely
incorrect
and
baseless
facts.
Although
I
am
a
proud
and
staunch
follower
of
Sri.
Madvacharya
I
would
believe
this
song
should
certainly
contain
whatever
Sri.
Kuvempu
intended
or
had
penned.
Just
by
including
or
excluding
Sri
Madhvacharya’s
name
in
this
state
anthem
would
not
make
Sri
Madhvacharya
any
big
or
small.
After
all
he
is
known
as
Jagad
Guru
and
not
just
a
Karnataka
guru.
When
a
divinely
eternal
and
an
ancient
Rigveda
praises
him
in
Balitha
Suktha
(as
per
tattva
vaada
translation),
a
song
written
by
a
mortal
soul
is
very
insignificant.
Interestingly
Tejaswi
says
the
most
important
reason
(bahu
muKhya
kaaraNA)
for
his
protest
is
because
of
Srimad
Acharya’s
anti-social
teachings.
He
asks
–
"How
can
we
daily
remember
the
name
of
such
an
Acharya
who
considered
shudras
and
dalits
are
destined
for
hells
and
they
will
never
qualify
for
salvation.
Don’t
we
have
even
that
much
self
respect?"
Even
a
with
simple
glimpse
at
a
lose
translation
of
Sri.
Madhvacharya’s
history
called
"Sumdhava
Vijaya"
one
would
know
that
Srimad
Acharya
preached
and
practiced
beyond
mundane
lives.
First
of
all
Sri.
Madhvacharya’s
classification
of
society
was
not
at
all
based
on
one’s
birth
and
it
is
based
a
soul’s
intrinsic
nature.
Secondly,
even
when
Sri
Madhvacharya
calls
a
soul
as
Shudra,
he
never
said
Shudra
is
destined
to
go
to
hell.
In
fact,
he
teaches
ways
to
achieve
salvation
to
all
including
Shudras.
He
and
his
followers
like
Sri
Raghavendra
Swamy
go
beyond
walls
of
Hinduism
walls
and
even
offer
prayers
in
Muslim
palaces
and
houses.
Probably
this
is
of
little
or
no
value
to
an
atheist
like
Tejaswi
who
expects
self-respect
and
does
not
know
how
to
respect
and
live
with
other
faiths.
Whether
or
not
government
includes
Karnataka’s
gifted
13th
century
philosopher,
this
discussion
certainly
exposed
the
true
and
dirty
nature
of
Tejaswi.
-
Murthy
Navarathna
Pennsylvania,
USA
*
Sir,
this has reference to nadageethe and its controversies. in my opinion, the state govt has unnecessarily broght this lime light to catch some votes. some body who has written some poem will certainly would not have read and understood the various philosopies. hence we should read that as a poem and forget it. however, any body else giving justification for not including is exposing his own level of knowledge and expertise in the relevant matter. even the author would not have perhaps made this kind of allegations against a saint
- Jairam Raghunatha Rao, City?
*
Dear
Editor,
The
comments
made
by
Mr.Tejasvi
s/o.
Shri
Kuvempu
(hoping
that
its
complete
&
thatskannda.com
did
not
edit
it)
is
highly
unacceptable.
I
really
do
not
understand
how
people
make
assumptions
without
getting
into
the
details
of
what
a
specific
philosophy
is
saying
about.
Acharya
Shri
Madhwa
though
categorized
souls
into
3
types,
never
said
a
specific
sect
or
religion
belongs
to
that
type.
It
is
he
who
propounded
that
external
appearance
doesnt
proclaim
the
real
quality
(type)
of
a
soul.
Its
not
that
easy
to
understand
that
concept
&
without
knowing
the
very
basics,
Mr.Tejasvi
went
into
making
such
comments.
I
understand
that
ur
paper
just
printed
what
he
commented
&
in
no
way
u
or
ur
paper
is
connected
to
it.
But
still,
I
felt
its
my
duty
to
condemn
it.
I
hope,
by
now,
u
would
have
received
many
mails
condemning
this.
If
u
can
print
an
article
with
the
concerns
of
those
who
condemned
the
comments
of
Mr.Purnachandra
Tejasvi,
it
would
be
great.
Thanx
- Prasanna Krishna, City?
*
Dear Editor,
This Pu Chante yane Poornachandra Tejaswi has not even the minimum sense of requirement to read a darshanika and comment upon his teachings. He has not read either ashankara or ramanuja let alone Madhwa.Such puchantes are many many in karnataka and elsewhere.They are made by some senseless followers as big and important.Some have something to inherit.This attitude is one such.Well,it is better advice pucante to come for an open discussion with scholors of Madhwas philosophy so that he can atleast avoid being termed asbelonging to the category Ignorance is bliss. if he still wants to stick to his gun then Tamas is his loka to live.Forget him but not forgive.
- U.B Gururajacharya, City?
*
Dear Sir,
The whole controversy involving the exclusion of Madhwas name in the State Anthem is very unfortunate. Though the matter to be included / excluded in a poem is the poets prerogative, what pains everyone is the irresponsible comments made by Purnachandra Tejaswi on a Great philosopher and saint Madhwa. Madhwa the founder of Dwaita philosophy was a great thinker and undisputed scholar who laid the foundation for Bhakti pantha. Nowhere in his texts he mentions Shudras as Nitya narakis / Tamoyogya. On the contrary he has shown the Bhakti marga through which every human bieng regardless of Caste and creed can attain salvation. He was the source of inspiration for West Bengals Chaitanya cult also. The contributions of Madhwa towards Hindu philosophy cannot be underestimated by any sane human being.
Kannada litrature in particular was enriched by Great personalities like Sripadaraja , Vyasaraja , Puranaradasa , Raghavendra, Kanakadasa , Vijayadasa, Jagannathadasa who were the faithful followers of Madhwa. The DasaSahitya is a medium by itself which addresses and condemns the social evils like untouchability.
The very fact that Kanakadasa a kuruba who is one among the great Haridasas proves the fact that Madhwa never propagated shudras as Nityanarakis.
Purnachandra Tejaswi has misquoted Madhwa without even looking into his works. This has disturbed all the Madhwa followers and we strongly condemn his comments.
Bottomline : Not including Madhwas name in the State Anthem is least bothering as compared to the irresponsible comments thats been made and the needless controversy that has risen out of it.
- R Gururaj, Bangalore
*
Dear
Editor,
The
article
on
Nadu
geethe
is
completely
incorrect.
This
nadu
geethe
should
have
the
name
of
Sri
Madhwacharyaru.
We
are
not
that
concerned
about
the
name
not
included.
The
damaging
statement
which
is
very
distressful
is
that
this
article
has
wrong
interpretation
of
Sri
Madhwacharyaru.
Please
note
that
Sri
Madhwacharyaru
did
not
ever
say
that
lower
castes
are
thamo
yogyas.
With
this
in
mind,
make
sure
that
you
do
not
publish
these
kinds
of
articles
that
are
blatent
lies.
According to Sri Madhwacharyaru, it is the nature of the soul that is responsible for being satvika, rajasa or thamasa. A satvika soul can be born as a sudra and a thamasa jiva can be born in this world as a brahmana. A perfect example is Sri Kanaka dasaru.
Thank you,
- Bala Krishna, City?
*
Sham avarige Namaskara,
Government rarely makes wise decision! This time it seems they have done it with reference to Nadageethe. They have removed all controversial verses and selected few from the original poem for Nadageethe. Please publish the official version for the benefit of all those brave souls who argued for and against the Nadageethe. I hope this version will satisfy all.
Personally I feel "Udayavagali namma cheluva Kannada Nadau" by Huyilagola Narayana Rao should become Nadageethe. Jaya Bharatha jananiya is a very nice poem but in addition to Kanrnataka it refers to other great peopole from India such as Shankara, Ramanuja....I like both poems. No poem should be modified by other people other than the poet himself bcause it is purely expression of his thoughts in a creative way.
Jai Karnataka Mathe
-
Suresh
Ramachandra
Washinton
DC
*
Dear Editor,
It does not matter if great Acharyas like Shankara and Ramanuja are included and acharya Madwa is not.What matters and angers the followers of Sriman Madwachaarya is the way son of Kumepu has commented.It shows his ignorance and lack of Vedanta.The followers of Sriman madwacharya are not foolish to follow the great acharya.It would serve in his interests if he appologize for commenting on our beloved acharya.
-
Sri
Madwesharpanamasthu,
V.Prasanna
Krishna
City?
*
To
the
Editor
:
It
is
utterly
shameful
and
disgusting
to
note
that
a
man
of
the
stature
of
Poornachandra
Tejaswi
can
make
such
baseless
and
blasphemous
comments
about
a
saint
of
whom
he
doesnt
even
know
!
Only
people
who
know
about
that
great
saint
and
have
read
his
works
and
commentaries
have
the
right
to
comment
,
not
people
who
dont
even
want
to
know
about
him
!
Tejaswi
should
have
atleast
respected
the
great
saint
,
if
not
add
his
name
to
the
naadageethe...
-
Raghunandan
J
Phoenix
,
Arizona
*
Dear
Kannada
Loving
people,
As
a
regular
reader
of
www.thatskannada.com
I
am
disturbed
with
the
recent
bickering
about
the
naadageethe
issue.
I
would
like
to
comment
a
few
things
about
what
Mr.
PoornaChandra
Thejasvi
has
mentioned.
Although
I
am
a
avid
fan
of
their
writing
the
second
point
what
they
have
mentioned
seems
to
be
entirely
wrong.
Following shankara/madhwa/Ramanuja is a persons personal issue. Whatever they have mentioned seems to be different from the outside, but everything says only the good, otherwise there wouldnt have been so much people following that particular faith. THe issue should not be about shankara and ramanuja being from outside or madhwa being from karnataka, but it should be about finding a suitable song as naadageethe.. There are many other songs that mention and praise karnataka as equally as that of Kuvempus.
And Mr. Thejasvi should admit that whatever he said about the saint is his personal opinion and he should not generalize it. At the same time people should not take this oppurtunity to show that their acharya is better than others. All are different paths of enlightenment. If I follow one I do not have the right to impose the same on other person.
So being respected kannada people let us not blame each others in the name of acharyas and dilute the good willing among ourselves. Let is keep our faith, religional practice and other things at home and when we are outside let us be common proud kannada people. All saints are great and all ways lead to the same eternal truth. Let it be our personal opinion to follow or not to follow. The heads of religious institutions should propagate this view and try to improve the brotherhood among all kannada people belonging to all walks of life.
Remember to comment about either shankara or ramanuja or madhwa we should have read all their view points and should be in a position to judge what is good or bad. Let us not do something that causes fight among ourselves.
I hope the government of karnataka will resolve this issue by picking some other song as naadageethe.
Regards
- Ashwin, City?
*
Sir,
kuvempuravara naadageeyheyalli badalavane maadi kaviya athmakke banga tarabedi,nimmage istailladiddare naada geetheyanne tiraskarisi
-
Manjunath
C.
Whitefield
*
Dear Editor,
I learn with great disgust the announcement from Karnataka Government through Muddukrishna that the disputed so called Nadageethe shall not be altered. What kind of democracy is this? It is worse than dictatorship. what do you expect from abmaniheena kannadigas. Karnataka is a mixture of telugu speaking Smarthas who hate Madhwas. These smarthas are so bigotted that Madhwa represents to them anti Shankara and anti telugu,even though the truth is otherwise. Iyengars are hung up on Ramanuja because they conceive that Madhwas are against Ramanuja and anti tamil, even though the truth is otherwise. Lingayats are totally against brahmins. So it has to be anti Madhwas. Vokkaligas is in between. They would rather align themselves with Christians and Muslims and are against everybody else. They have a guilty feeling about being called as Shudras. So they have to hate Madhwas. All these groups use Dalits to their advantage. Even meat eating so called Brahmins also would like to be spokespersons for Dalits. Yet not a single group mentioned above would like have a dalit son-in-law or a daughter-in-law. That is the hypocrisy among Kannadigas.
Karnataka is a state domiciled by all these and by Tamilians,Telugu,Malayalees and all sorts of North Indians who does care about Kannada.
Thyagaraja festivals are held regularly and Telugu is the principal language. If any Kannadiga dares to celebrate Purandharadasra festival in a large scale, either the attendance is low or put down as anti establishment. Kannada vachanas are unheard of in these katcheries because singing them is not "Madi".
Kuvempu who believed in Adwaithic Ramakrishna philosophy was so arrogant and critical about Madhwa pithadhipatis, has no real knowledge of Sriman Madhwacharya.
Kuvempu may be great scholar in Kannada but his knowledge of Vedanta is no comparison to great philosophers like Jayatheertha, Vyasatheertha, Vijeyendratheertha, Raghottama, Raghavendra theertha, Satyadhynatheertha, Vedantadeshika etc. Probably he is not even worth the value of these great peoples sandals.
Now Karnataka is ruled by Vokkaliga dominated government. The government ministers and their chelas have acquired great wealth thanks to the cut throat Muslims like Roshan Beg,Abdul Karim Telgi. These people would not mind selling Karnataka or India to the Middleeast Sheiks for a few dollars.
In the midst of all these this stupid,no value song which was collecting dust among the ever diminishing Kannadigas is brought out and heralded as "Nadageethe". I would like to ask "Yava Nadina Geethe?". Go and refurbish the derelict Kuvempu smaraka. I request Karnataka government to withdraw this song as it has permanently hurt lot of Kannadigas. Besides who wants Nadageethe when we have a Rashtrageethe. Karnataka government has no business to make a Nadageethe without consulting Kannadasahitya Parishat. Mr. Muddukrishna is a political henchman and we in America and Canada have known him as a forger of AKKA presidents signature than as an artist.
I give a clarion call to all Kannadigas to hold Dharana and satyagraha in Bangalore in protest and do not stop until the government withdraws this controversial order of thrusting this Kannada hurting Nadageethe onto the throats of Kannadigas.
Udayavagali Namma Cheluva Kannadanadu,
-
Nagaraja
Rao
Toronto,
Canada
*
Namastubhayam:
"Huchra
Rajyabhara
dhli
Uoodavane
Jaana"!
Without
raising
any
voice
"Guthama
and
Gina"
stayed
in
the
NADAGEETHE.
Madhawas
lost
out
big
times
and
dragged
Shankar,
Ramanuja
along
with
them.
This
is
sending
a
clear
message
to
all
Brahmins
that
they
need
to
be
united
to
get
a
powerful
lobby
to
win
such
Social
issues.
- Krishnamurthy Jois, Virginia
*
K.P.
Poornachandra
Tejaswi,
I
have
not
read
any
of
your
writings
in
my
life.
I
do
think
I
will
be
also.
But,
I
wish
to
comment
on
your
work.
What
ever
you
write
is
so
bad,
distastefull
and
yakkk.
Sorry
to
say
this
but
it
stinks.
So,
Sir
how
was
it!
This
is
the
same
feeling
we
also
have.
Not
reading
and
commenting!!
How
dare
you.
Mind
your
manners..
God
should
only
save
you
-
BINDUMADHAVA
City?
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ಓದುಗರೇನೂ
ಕಮ್ಮಿ
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ಸತ್ಯವ
ಹೇಳಿದ
ಮಧ್ವರು
ವಿಲನ್
ಆಗಿದ್ದಾರೆಯೋ?
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ಓದುಗರೇನೂ
ಕಮ್ಮಿ
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